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« on: February 28, 2006, 08:12:27 PM » |
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I noticed that it's awfully quiet in the technical and software forums. Almost a week without any cool stuff. Is there some mayor 360 breakthrough ?  Radio silence ? A360 ps. the hare in the meadow is good - the hare in the meadow is good  |
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2006, 08:46:54 PM » |
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In my opinion it could mean one of a few things. Either 1. The wonderful and talented people that are doing this for the scene in their spare time just haven't had time to mess with it. 2. The wonderful and talented people doing this for the scene in their spare time are having some difficulty. or 3. The wonderful and talented people doing this for the scene in their spare time are making hella progress and are so excited about the progress that they're making that they haven't torn themselves away from the project long enough to post becuase they're perfecting something. All in all, I'm hoping for option number 3.  But I do want it to be known that I appreciate the efforts of all the wonderful and talented people working on this so that we can tap into the power of the 360. Also so that I don't have to worry about any more of my discs getting scratched because my cat decides to knock over my 360 while I'm in the bathroom. R.I.P Kameo 11/05 1/06 *sniffle* Oh, how short of a time we had together...  |
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2006, 03:19:41 AM » |
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I noticed that it's awfully quiet in the technical and software forums. Almost a week without any cool stuff. Is there some mayor 360 breakthrough ? Radio silence ? Yes, it can now make coffee too and do your laundry. Seriously, it my sound surprising but these ultra 733t hax0rz have a life too. |
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2006, 04:43:28 PM » |
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R.I.P Kameo 11/05 1/06 *sniffle* Oh, how short of a time we had together... lol... some brasso and ure good to go  |
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2006, 05:21:10 PM » |
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lol... some brasso and ure good to go I've used a couple of disc-repair solutions to no avail, I'll give this one a shot too... Can't hurt!! |
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2006, 07:22:45 PM » |
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Word on the street is that some smart people of this board combined their forces, formed an underground team and are very, VERY close to getting the first 360 backup booting... |
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2006, 08:57:55 PM » |
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Word on the street is that some smart people of this board combined their forces, formed an underground team and are very, VERY close to getting the first 360 backup booting... Coming from a god such as yourself (bowing in reverence) I'll take it that you're probably much more privy to such information. Any idea if it's a chip or a firmware hack? Either way, peace of mind for my $60 games will be suweet. Now if only we could get the free60 guys closer to their goal... I'd be jumping for joy!! Can you IMAGINE the power of this thing..... |
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2006, 05:00:47 AM » |
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@TheSpecialist
hmm! they are very VERY good news...
thnxx
Greets!
ChaosBoy
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P.S: to be or not to be... a hacker!!!
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2006, 05:50:48 AM » |
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booting backups would be great I agree...but what I'm really after is Linux isn't there any way to RE the .xex files? (there must be some disassembler for powerpc o.O) |
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2006, 08:45:34 AM » |
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what good would that do you? any modification will break the signature, and the signature is not gonna be cracked in the net 50 years or so.. at best circumvented.
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2006, 09:36:20 AM » |
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what good would that do you? any modification will break the signature, and the signature is not gonna be cracked in the net 50 years or so.. at best circumvented.
Uberfly is partially right: of course, playing backup discs *MAY* actually lead to any sort of signature circumvention: for instance, some new exploit might be found by modifying some unsigned game content (NOT .xex files of course) like some people are trying to do with the the kiosk demo disc. |
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2006, 11:03:21 AM » |
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what good would that do you? any modification will break the signature, and the signature is not gonna be cracked in the net 50 years or so.. at best circumvented.
Uberfly is partially right: of course, playing backup discs *MAY* actually lead to any sort of signature circumvention: for instance, some new exploit might be found by modifying some unsigned game content (NOT .xex files of course) like some people are trying to do with the the kiosk demo disc. Isn't the data from the data files Hashed or checksum'd in the hypervisor somewhere? (could be wrong, might sound stupid) I was under the impression that if the data files are modified it knows and crashes except for the instance of .SWF's from flash hacks based off the kiosk disk. (Which is now blocked) |
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2006, 04:55:42 PM » |
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Word on the street is that some smart people of this board combined their forces, formed an underground team and are very, VERY close to getting the first 360 backup booting... Does the word on the street say anything about what kind of hack we are talking? A full scale firmware hack, or could it be an unknown exploit? I can't say anything else that I'm dying to know the truth Keep up the good work. |
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2006, 06:18:26 PM » |
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Does the word on the street say anything about what kind of hack we are talking? A full scale firmware hack, or could it be an unknown exploit? I can't say anything else that I'm dying to know the truth Keep up the good work. Firmware. I doubt you'll see some kind of OTHER hack soon, that lets you boot unsigned code for example. MS did a very good job on the 360 itself this time. However, they made a big mistake by forgetting about the firmware They even didn't remove the debug routines from the FW, quite amazing ... The 360 has a little bit more advanced protection in its FW than the original xbox, but still, they did some stupid things (like forgetting about the debug routines, that were very helpful to us, hehe, and most importantly: not signing the firmware). I'm betting they'll develop the MPU in the drive from scratch for their next gen consoles and sign the code in the FW |
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2006, 09:24:26 AM » |
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Specialist, great news indeed, but a question i know alot of ppl are wondering about is: 1. Will MS be able to patch this security hole via those pesty live updates? Or will that be impossible for them until next revisited version of 360`s hit the street? 2. Will this hack be possible to execute for the "average" dork, who hasnt any experience in soldering or advanced electronics? 3. Will it be awesome? |
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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2006, 01:06:08 PM » |
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Specialist, great news indeed, but a question i know alot of ppl are wondering about is: 1. Will MS be able to patch this security hole via those pesty live updates? Or will that be impossible for them until next revisited version of 360`s hit the street? 2. Will this hack be possible to execute for the "average" dork, who hasnt any experience in soldering or advanced electronics? 3. Will it be awesome? 1. Yes. However, every patch they come up with can be hacked (very fast) again. So it might become some sort of cat/mouse game ... But the hacker will always win because the hardware is designed in the 'wrong' way for MS to win that game 2. You'll have to be able to flash you firmware. Currently there's no method to do it via software, so you'll need a hardware programmer. However, it's possible to do it via software, it only has to be researched 3. Yes and No. Yes, it will work, but the problem is that I highly doubt that the team will release a hacked 'ready to go' firmware ... I think a lot of hackers (including me) are reluctant to do this. The threat from MS and its lawyers is real. Even though it might be legal in some countries, if you visit the US they can arrest you there (like they arrested that Russian guy when he visited the US) ... Well, maybe a text document with bytes differing from original and hacked FW is possible => it's not a 'device' to circumvent copy protection' and it will only serve eductional purposes of course That way only the person that is going to use that information to create such a 'device' (software) is the one that is doing something illegal and not the hacker I suppose ... But again, I'm not a lawyer and it is a VERY slippery slope we're on here ... You'll have to understand that a FW hack differs in 2 ways from what bunnie did: 1. Bunnie could hide behind the fact that his intention was only to boot Linux 2. Bunnie could hide behind his academic paper he was writing. This was some kind of 'safeguard' for him, since MS would be more reluctant to have an academic researcher arrested (although that russian guy was also an academic researcher, even speaking at a conference the moment they arrested him, hehe) So, we'll see what happens... At least, there's is very good progress being made and the team is probably going to show soon that it IS possible, hehe... And I suspect sooner or later somebody will probably take his chances and upload a hack something somewhere But again ... I doubt that there'll be anything else than a 'we did it' statement in the beginning ... I think if you're hoping on a ready-to-go firmware hack, others would have to follow in the team's footsteps, that are not as much in the 'limelight' as the hackers on this board |
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2006, 02:13:45 PM » |
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Sounds very interesting By "soon", do you mean hours, days, weeks or months? Or is it impossible to say at this point perhaps? |
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2006, 02:24:33 PM » |
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Sounds very interesting By "soon", do you mean hours, days, weeks or months? Or is it impossible to say at this point perhaps? The last thing I want to do is to give anybody hope and I realize I'm already kinda doing that I mean, like I said, since there probably won't be a release, it isn't really going to be an interesting event to the majority of the xbox scene That said, I also can't 'promise' a date/time that the 'news' will hit the scene, all I can say is that the team is in the 'final' stage of the process And maybe there won't even be any 'news release' at all .. I do understand that a 'we did it statement' without release will only frustrate a lot of people ... I think the team has to think very good about what its' going to do if and when the first backup boots But I think it will be hard to come up with a solution that both satisfies the scene to its fullest extent and also lets the hackers sleep well at night, without having to hide behind the sofa everytime the doorbell rings |
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2006, 02:26:05 PM » |
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Is there any reason to assume if such a hack is made public, that they wont modify the 360 firmware to perform a checksum on the dvd drives firmware every boot, and refuse to run if it doesnt match up to a known value?
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2006, 02:28:30 PM » |
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Is there any reason to assume if such a hack is made public, that they wont modify the 360 firmware to perform a checksum on the dvd drives firmware every boot, and refuse to run if it doesnt match up to a known value?
Well, if the 360 wants the checksum, it has to ask the firmware for it And since we control the firmware, we can tell the 360 anything we want That's what I meant that with that the hacker is always going to win the 'cat/mouse' game, since the hardware was designed in the wrong way for MS to win that game |
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