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« on: December 10, 2007, 07:59:58 PM »

Just want to inform you that there might be another ban wave. Up untill an hour again I was playing Ace Combat on live, and now I'm banned. Updated to Ixtreme 1.4 when it got out. Had Ixtreme 1.3 before that, and 5.2 and 5.3 before that one. Escaped the previous 2 banhammers. Oh well, without disappointment, you can't appreciate victory.

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2007, 08:22:32 PM »

This info you provided is simply no help at all...
 
You realize it is solely the backusp your getting banned? How about you see if that Ace Combat game had a bad ss.bin by ripping with DvdMuelleter and check the ss.bin with the Kreon Checker...? Or maybe you can check what games you were playing that had a bad ss.bin when you had 1.3? There has been some confirmation from some members they got banned after playing a game.

So instead of saying theres a new ban perhaps you can tell in detail of what happened.

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2007, 08:53:57 PM »

I checked most of the games I play after the situation w/ the kreon rips got aware. Ace Combat is fine according to DVDmuelleter and Kreon Checker. Ace Combat is the only game I have played on live since updating to Ixtreme 1.4, and It was only today for less than 30 minutes.

Other games I played on 1.3 in the last couple of weeks are:

PES 08 - Fine - Basically all the time in the weekends since it got out
Fifa 08 - Fine - Every now and then
Assasins Creed - Fine - For quite some time
WSOP 2008 - Fine - Few times every other week

3 weeks ago or more

Mass Effect - Bad Rip - For maybe 3 hours when it got out
Call of duty - Bad Rip - For a couple of weeks
Halo 3 - Bad Rip - for about 2 week after it got released
Blacksite Area 51 - Bad - For about a week
Soldier of Fortune - Good -

Those are the games I played for the last 2 months or so.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2007, 09:17:42 PM »

ok thanks mate Smiley.

So that confirms either

a) maybe the ban is not directly  connected with the faulty ss.bin if your banned now after 3 weeks ago with bad rips

b)or maybe Microsoft recorded that 3-4 weeks ago games youve  played that were bad and banned you now.

Your drive is samsung right?

Also any games played after 1.4 update?
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2007, 09:44:13 PM »

Yeah my drive is a samsung ms28.

The only game I played after the 1.4 update is Ace Combat. Today was the first time I played on my xbox since the update. Other than that I just watched movies with it after the update.

The day before the 1.4 update got available I played PES 08, and during that week some FIFA..

Another game I also played is Madden 08 that I forgot about, but that game also reported stealth on both Kreon Checker and muelleter, so that shouldn't be the problem then.


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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2007, 10:24:39 PM »

What version dash/Kernel?
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2007, 10:51:15 PM »

Latest from the fall update.

2.06683.0
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2007, 04:30:33 AM »

I checked most of the games I play after the situation w/ the kreon rips got aware. Ace Combat is fine according to DVDmuelleter and Kreon Checker. Ace Combat is the only game I have played on live since updating to Ixtreme 1.4, and It was only today for less than 30 minutes.

Other games I played on 1.3 in the last couple of weeks are:

PES 08 - Fine - Basically all the time in the weekends since it got out
Fifa 08 - Fine - Every now and then
Assasins Creed - Fine - For quite some time
WSOP 2008 - Fine - Few times every other week

3 weeks ago or more

Mass Effect - Bad Rip - For maybe 3 hours when it got out
Call of duty - Bad Rip - For a couple of weeks
Halo 3 - Bad Rip - for about 2 week after it got released
Blacksite Area 51 - Bad - For about a week
Soldier of Fortune - Good -

Those are the games I played for the last 2 months or so.

Easy. You were flaggend under 1.3 with COD4, Halo 3 etc. online weeks ago and now they ban ya. It has nothing to do with 1.4, Ace Combat etc. probably.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2007, 07:09:07 AM »

Or it could be someone spreading misinformation Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2007, 08:40:26 AM »

Or it could be someone spreading misinformation Tongue

Could be also. That's the good thing of these boards. If something is structural and not an isolated case, there is more 'proof'.

Plus, this guy really can be flagged before and just banned now. Last bans in May MS also banned in waves, while probably they detected all of those people earlier in the process.
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2007, 09:23:23 AM »

To me it looks like they find a detection method, implement it, leave it for a while, and mass ban. Then modded consoles detected with this ban method after this are banned straight away. I don't think they flag a console and leave it for a week or two to ban it, it doesn't really make sense to do that. Unless they need to wait to gather enough suspicious attempts before they can verify it is modded, but I don't think they'd need to do this either.
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2007, 02:57:28 PM »

To me it looks like they find a detection method, implement it, leave it for a while, and mass ban. Then modded consoles detected with this ban method after this are banned straight away. I don't think they flag a console and leave it for a week or two to ban it, it doesn't really make sense to do that. Unless they need to wait to gather enough suspicious attempts before they can verify it is modded, but I don't think they'd need to do this either.

Yes it DOES make sense. It gives more difficult for those that are searching why the bannings occur and no clear pattern in what and how the banned consoles used which drive, which firmware and got banned over what kind of backup exactly.

Thus: flagging a console: smart from MS if they do
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2007, 03:18:54 PM »

Well a friend of mine in Britian just got banned today, he claims he didn't play any games that weren't good rips, but hes not exactly the smartest when it comes to this stuff Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2007, 04:42:52 PM »

Hello,
Massiv Unban with 1 kv : http://gueux-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=176919&pid=1222773&st=0&#entry1222773
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2007, 04:53:38 PM »


english please?
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2007, 05:55:34 PM »


With my very basic french skills its just a thread on their take of the bannage.

So yeah pretty much sums it up that you got flaged.

Now the mysteries begin to roll in... Why are benqs and hitachi  78 immune to it?
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2007, 06:42:03 PM »


With my very basic french skills its just a thread on their take of the bannage.

So yeah pretty much sums it up that you got flaged.

Now the mysteries begin to roll in... Why are benqs and hitachi  78 immune to it?
Very true...A friend of mine plays everything under the sun on his 78FK. He doesn't check any stealth or Kreon Checker etc. Plays before release, PAL/NTSC and he's survived both bans.  Shocked
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2007, 01:02:39 AM »

Translate to http://gueux-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=176919&pid=1222773&st=0&#entry1222773
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1st Test
A xbox360 C no ban, i take the keyvault, i name this keyvault kv C.
A xbox360 A with nand A patch with kv C.
A xbox360 B with nand B patch with kv C.


Diagram

The results :
xbox360 A boot : OK.
xbox360 B boot : OK
Xbox Live connection with xbox360 A : OK.
Xbox Live connection with xbox360 B : OK.
Game boot with xbox360 A : OK.
Game boot with xbox360 B: OK.
Play on Xbox Live game with xbox360 A: OK.
Play on Xbox Live game with xbox360 B: OK.





 
2nd Test (confirmation test)
A xbox360 C no bann, i take the keyvault, i rename this keyvault kv C. In this kv C, i take the part : offset 328 (0x00000148) to l'offset 3185 (0x00000C71) ( 2,79 Ko (2 858 octets) ), i rename this part in Part C .
A xbox360 A with nand A patch with kv C with the Part C.
A xbox360 B  with nand B patch with HIS original  keyvault (rename kv B) with the Part C inserted.


Diagram :

The results :
xbox360 A boot : OK.
xbox360 B boot : OK
Xbox Live connection with xbox360 A : OK.
Xbox Live connection with xbox360 B : OK.
Game boot with xbox360 A : OK.
Game boot with xbox360 B: OK.
Play on Xbox Live game with xbox360 A: OK.
Play on Xbox Live game with xbox360 B: OK.








Conclusion :
 
One keyvault no banni can unban several xbox360.
ith the Infectus and the AddOn, the masive unban is open.


Test by djbox and zouzzz
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2007, 01:22:24 AM »

What data resides between offset 328 and offset 3185?
Did you try playing online with the same KV on two boxes simultaneously?
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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2007, 03:32:23 AM »

 
What data resides between offset 328 and offset 3185?
Did you try playing online with the same KV on two boxes simultaneously?

yes, two boxes simultaneously. Wink
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